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The Best and Worst NHL Teams for Goalies: Boston Helps Most, Philadelphia Hurts Most
We rated every franchise by how the same goalies did there and everywhere else. Boston, the Islanders and Dallas lift their goalies. Philadelphia, San Jose and Detroit sink them. Being good for goalies is not the same as being good: Edmonton has been a strong team and a bad one for goalies, Winnipeg a middling team and a great one for goalies. None of it lasts as long as the reputations do.
By Edgehalla ResearchPublished 9 min read
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How we rated each team
Team save % is not the answer. A team with a great goalie has a great save %, and that says nothing about the team. The question is whether a team makes the same goalie better or worse.
So we compared goalies with themselves. For each franchise, we took every goalie who played there and somewhere else, and asked how their save % at that team compared with their save % everywhere else. Our model does this for all goalies and teams at once. It accounts for each goalie’s own level and yearly form, so a team gets no credit for signing a good goalie and no blame for signing a bad one.
The data is every NHL regular-season goalie game since 1955-56 (127,409 of them), from the NHL’s game logs. Ratings are in points of save %: 1 point is .001, so +4 turns a .905 goalie into a .909 goalie. Each rating has an error of about ±2 points, so only the top and bottom of the table stand clearly apart from average.
The ranking: 2016-17 to 2025-26
Best and worst NHL teams for goalies, last 10 seasons
Save % points a goalie gains or loses on this team vs elsewhere
Boston, the Islanders, Dallas, Colorado and Winnipeg help goalies most; Philadelphia, San Jose, Detroit, Ottawa and New Jersey hurt most.
| Rank | Team | Rating | Rank | Team | Rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Boston | +4.1 | 17 | Calgary | −0.2 |
| 2 | NY Islanders | +3.8 | 18 | Florida | −0.3 |
| 3 | Dallas | +3.2 | 19 | Anaheim | −0.4 |
| 4 | Colorado | +3.2 | 20 | Chicago | −0.6 |
| 5 | Winnipeg | +3.1 | 21 | Arizona/Utah | −0.7 |
| 6 | NY Rangers | +2.9 | 22 | Carolina | −0.7 |
| 7 | Minnesota | +2.0 | 23 | Edmonton | −1.4 |
| 8 | Nashville | +2.0 | 24 | Montreal | −1.6 |
| 9 | St. Louis | +2.0 | 25 | Vancouver | −2.1 |
| 10 | Toronto | +1.6 | 26 | Buffalo | −2.2 |
| 11 | Los Angeles | +1.6 | 27 | Seattle | −2.6 |
| 12 | Washington | +1.1 | 28 | New Jersey | −2.9 |
| 13 | Vegas | +0.6 | 29 | Ottawa | −3.2 |
| 14 | Columbus | +0.6 | 30 | Detroit | −3.6 |
| 15 | Pittsburgh | +0.5 | 31 | San Jose | −4.0 |
| 16 | Tampa Bay | 0.0 | 32 | Philadelphia | −5.3 |
The spread between the best and worst teams for goalies is about 9 points of save %. For a starter facing 1,500 shots, that is roughly 14 goals a season. It is real, but it is smaller than one season of luck, which moves a starter’s save % by about 7.5 points either way.
Boston: the one team that stayed on top
Of the 11 goalies who played for Boston and elsewhere since 2005, 8 stopped more pucks as Bruins, by 7.3 points on average (90% range 1.4 to 12.4). Linus Ullmark was 19.3 points above league average in Boston, where he won the 2023 Vezina, and 2.1 above on his other teams (Buffalo and Ottawa). Tim Thomas was 18 points better in Boston than elsewhere, Jaroslav Halak 6 and Chad Johnson 20. Boston was 2nd in 2005-16 and 1st in 2016-26. No other team stayed in the top two across both decades.
A good team is not the same as a good team for goalies
These ratings measure how a team’s goalies do per shot, compared with the same goalies elsewhere. That is different from being a good team. A team can control the puck, outshoot everyone and still leave its goalie facing breakaways and backdoor passes. Another can spend most nights in its own end and still give its goalie shots that are seen cleanly.
To check, we compared the goalie rating with shot share, the team’s share of all shots in its games. Shot share measures how much the skaters control play, and the goalie has little to do with it. Over 2016-17 to 2025-26, the two correlate at only 0.22 across the 32 teams (90% range 0.00 to 0.45). Good teams lean slightly toward being good for goalies, but most of the goalie rating is something else.
| Team | Shot share rank | Points % rank | Rank for goalies | Goals a season |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good at outshooting, bad for goalies | ||||
| Carolina | 1 | 3 | 22 | −1.8 |
| Florida | 3 | 11 | 18 | −0.9 |
| Edmonton | 8 | 13 | 23 | −3.8 |
| Philadelphia | 10 | 20 | 32 | −13.1 |
| Outshot, good for goalies | ||||
| NY Islanders | 24 | 17 | 2 | +9.9 |
| NY Rangers | 25 | 16 | 6 | +7.6 |
| Winnipeg | 20 | 12 | 5 | +8.0 |
| St. Louis | 19 | 14 | 9 | +5.0 |
| Good at both | ||||
| Boston | 4 | 2 | 1 | +10.2 |
| Colorado | 5 | 7 | 4 | +8.1 |
| Dallas | 11 | 9 | 3 | +8.1 |
| Bad at both | ||||
| San Jose | 27 | 30 | 31 | −10.7 |
| Detroit | 29 | 31 | 30 | −9.7 |
| Ottawa | 21 | 25 | 29 | −8.5 |
Philadelphia is the extreme case. It has outshot its opponents slightly over the decade, 10th in the league, and still ranks last for goalies. Its goalie environment cost about 13 goals a season, roughly two wins. The Islanders are the reverse: 24th in shot share, yet their goalies saved about 10 goals a season more than the same goalies would on an average team.
Edmonton and Winnipeg, season by season
| Season | Edmonton points % | Edmonton for goalies | Winnipeg points % | Winnipeg for goalies |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2016-17 | T-7 | 21 | T-20 | 14 |
| 2017-18 | 23 | 27 | 2 | 6 |
| 2018-19 | 25 | 26 | 11 | 4 |
| 2019-20 | 12 | 21 | 20 | 7 |
| 2020-21 | 11 | 20 | T-14 | 3 |
| 2021-22 | 11 | 22 | 19 | 6 |
| 2022-23 | T-6 | 20 | 14 | 5 |
| 2023-24 | 9 | 20 | T-4 | 1 |
| 2024-25 | 9 | 22 | 1 | 1 |
| 2025-26 | 14 | 27 | 26 | 7 |
Edmonton has been a good team for most of the McDavid era and below average for goalies in every one of those seasons. From 2019-20 to 2024-25 it never finished outside the top 12 in points % and never better than 20th for goalies. Winnipeg has been mid-table for most of the decade (12th in points % overall), yet it was top 7 for goalies in every season but one, and 1st in both 2023-24 and 2024-25. In 2024-25 it also had the best points % in the league.
In goals, the gap is large. Winnipeg’s goalie environment was worth about 13 goals a season in 2023-24 and 2024-25. Edmonton’s cost about 4 goals a season on average, and almost 7 in 2025-26. Put the same goalie on each team and that is a swing of more than 15 goals.
Edmonton: a goalie graveyard for 20 years
Oilers fans have watched a long line of goalies arrive, struggle and then play well somewhere else. The data backs them up. Since 2005, the same goalies stopped 4.1 points less in Edmonton than on their other teams (90% range −8.4 to 0.0), and only 6 of 17 did better as Oilers. Edmonton’s rating has been below zero entering every season since 2006, through bad Oilers teams and good ones.
| Goalie | Oilers seasons | In Edmonton | Elsewhere | Gap |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Devan Dubnyk | 2009-10 to 2013-14 | −3.2 | +3.5 | −6.7 |
| Cam Talbot | 2015-16 to 2018-19 | −1.3 | +4.6 | −5.9 |
| Ben Scrivens | 2013-14 to 2014-15 | −16.0 | +1.0 | −17.0 |
| Laurent Brossoit | 2014-15 to 2017-18 | −16.3 | +6.9 | −23.1 |
| Jack Campbell | 2022-23 to 2023-24 | −18.1 | +8.1 | −26.2 |
| Nikolai Khabibulin | 2009-10 to 2012-13 | −9.5 | −3.7 | −5.8 |
| Mike Smith | 2019-20 to 2021-22 | +4.7 | −0.2 | +4.8 |
| Stuart Skinner | 2021-22 to 2025-26 | +2.2 | −10.3 | +12.5 |
| Dwayne Roloson | 2005-06 to 2008-09 | +2.1 | −5.9 | +8.0 |
Dubnyk is the clearest case. He left Edmonton after a terrible 2013-14 and went from 22.8 points below league average that season to 21.4 above in Minnesota the next. Brossoit was 23 points better on his other teams, and Campbell 26.
It was not always like this. In 1983-93, with Grant Fuhr and Bill Ranford in net, Edmonton ranked 7th of 24 as a team for goalies. It fell to 28th of 30 in 2005-16 and has recovered only to 23rd. In the expected-goals era (2017-18 on), Edmonton is below average on both parts: it allows slightly harder shots than average (−1.8 points), and its goalies fall short of xG (−1.0).
Winnipeg yes, Florida and Carolina no
Winnipeg is a good team for goalies, but only since it became the Jets. The franchise’s Atlanta years (1999-2011) were bad: 30th of 30 in the 1993-2005 window and 23rd in 2005-16. As the Jets, it climbed to 5th in 2016-26, and its rating entering 2025-26 (+6.1) was the best in the league. Eric Comrie was 28 points better in Winnipeg than elsewhere, Laurent Brossoit 17 and Michael Hutchinson 15. Connor Hellebuyck has only ever played for Winnipeg, so he tells us nothing either way. In the xG era, Winnipeg’s goalies beat xG by more than any other team’s (+3.1 points).
Florida is not a good team for goalies on this measure: −0.3 in 2016-26, and only 9 of 20 goalies did better there since 2005. Sergei Bobrovsky has been 7.2 points worse in Florida than on his other teams, even with two Stanley Cups there. Chris Driedger, Anthony Stolarz and Alex Lyon did well there; Jacob Markstrom, Tim Thomas and Sam Montembeault did not.
Carolina is −0.7, and 8 of 17 goalies did better there. Alex Nedeljkovic was 22 points better as a Hurricane, Scott Darling 33 worse and Antti Raanta 12 worse. Carolina may look like a good team for goalies because it allows so few shots, which keeps goals against down. But the shots that get through are hard: per unblocked shot, Carolina allows the third-toughest shots in the league. Its goalies beat xG by 1.4 points, and that roughly cancels out.
History: teams rise and fall for goalies
We fitted the same model separately for five eras. Being good for goalies turns out to be a phase, not part of a franchise’s identity.
Rating for goalies by era, selected franchises
Save % points vs the same goalies elsewhere
Philadelphia went from best to worst, the Islanders from bottom to top, and only Boston stayed near the top across the last two decades.
- 1967-83
- 1983-93
- 1993-05
- 2005-16
- 2016-26
- Philadelphia has the famous “goalie graveyard” reputation, and right now it earns it. It was not always so: the Flyers were 3rd of 21 in 1967-83 (the Bernie Parent years) and 1st of 24 in 1983-93 (the Ron Hextall years). Since 2016 they are last. Bobrovsky, Ilya Bryzgalov, Brian Elliott, Petr Mrazek and Anthony Stolarz all did worse there than elsewhere. The exception is recent: Dan Vladar was 10.2 points above average in 2025-26, his first Flyers season.
- The Islanders were the best team for goalies of 1967-83 (Billy Smith and Chico Resch on the dynasty teams), then 25th and 27th for two decades. Their rating turned positive right after 2018-19, Barry Trotz’s first season as coach. Robin Lehner was 17 points better there and Semyon Varlamov 7.
- Montreal was 2nd in 1967-83 and stayed in the top seven until 2016. It has been 24th since.
- Detroit was last in 1967-83, near average from 1993 to 2016, and 30th in 2016-26. Ville Husso, Alex Nedeljkovic and Cam Talbot all did worse as Red Wings.
- Tampa Bay was 29th and 30th from 1993 to 2016, a graveyard before Andrei Vasilevskiy. Dwayne Roloson, Dan Ellis and Marc Denis were each 17 to 25 points worse there.
Across all teams, ratings from 2005-16 and 2016-26 correlate at −0.12 (90% range −0.42 to +0.16). A team’s goalie rating from one decade tells you nothing about the next. Within a decade it holds up better: the lasting part of a team’s effect is about as big as its year-to-year swings (3.2 vs 3.1 points in 2016-26). The likeliest reason is that the rating follows the coach, the system and the defence corps, and all of those turn over.
Why some teams help their goalies
Since 2017-18 we can split each team’s effect in two using our expected-goals (xG) model. Shot quality is how hard the team’s unblocked shots against are, by location, type and rebounds. Goalie results beyond xG is how the same goalies did against those shots at this team compared with other teams. Both are in points per unblocked shot; higher is better for the goalie.
Two ways a team helps or hurts its goalie, 2017-18 to 2025-26
Points of unblocked save %: easier shots allowed, and same-goalie results beyond xG
Winnipeg, Dallas and Boston help on both; Philadelphia allows easy shots but its goalies still fall short of xG; Carolina is the reverse.
- Shot quality allowed
- Goalie results beyond xG
Shot quality is the steadier of the two: a team’s shot quality repeats at 0.55 year to year, while its goalie results beyond xG repeat at 0.27. Minnesota allows the easiest shots in the league.
The part beyond xG is harder to explain, and it is not small: 2.5 points of spread between teams, about as large as the goalies’ own spread in this model. xG models see where a shot came from, but not the screen, the pass before it or how fast the rush was. Defences differ on all three. Goalie coaching could matter too, but this data cannot separate it from defence.
Using it: fantasy and betting
When a goalie joins a new team, about 60% of that team’s current rating shows up in the goalie’s save % (our holdout test from 1980 on). Recent seasons matter more than franchise history. The full breakdown of good-to-bad and bad-to-good moves is in what happens when a goalie changes teams.
For betting, we took each team’s rating as of the start of the season and checked it against 2024-25 and 2025-26 closing moneylines. Backing the teams with the biggest goalie-rating edge in a game lost 6.7% (1,308 bets; 90% range −11.5% to −2.1%). Betting against them lost 1.1%, and that result flipped from −4.8% to +4.2% between the two seasons. On totals, overs between two bad teams for goalies and unders between two good ones each lost 4.1%. The market already prices this.
What this cannot tell you
- Ratings are rough. About ±2 points of error per team means teams 8th to 25th are hard to tell apart. Only the ends of the table are solid.
- Franchise goalies are invisible. Henrik Lundqvist, Andrei Vasilevskiy, Connor Hellebuyck and Carey Price played most of their careers for one team, so they add little to the comparison. The ratings lean on backups and goalies who moved.
- Teams choose their goalies. The model accounts for goalie level, but a team that keeps a backup because he fits the system will look a little better than it is.
- Before 1983-84, shot counts are less reliable, so read the 1967-83 ratings loosely.
Show the work
- Tests written down
- Not in advance (exploratory)
- Results computed
Every regular-season goalie game from 1955-56 to 2025-26 (NHL stats API game logs), goalie seasons with one team (50+ shots). Crossed random-effects model (goalie, goalie-season, franchise, team-season) fitted by REML. xG split from our play-by-play model, 2017-18 to 2025-26. Move tests use ratings fitted only on the 10 prior seasons. Betting checks use 2024-25 and 2025-26 closes. None of these tests was pre-registered.
| Test | Result | Verdict |
|---|---|---|
| Teams differ in how goalies do there (same goalies elsewhere as baseline) | franchise SD 3.2 pts, 2016-26 (team-season SD 3.1) | Real |
| Edmonton hurts goalies | same-goalie gap −4.1 pts (90% −8.4 to 0.0), 17 goalies, 2005-26 | Supported |
| Winnipeg helps goalies | +3.1 pts 2016-26 (SE 2.4); best rating entering 2025-26 | Supported (Jets era) |
| Florida helps goalies | −0.3 pts 2016-26; 9 of 20 goalies better there | Not supported |
| Carolina helps goalies | −0.7 pts 2016-26; 8 of 17 better there | Not supported |
| The goalie rating is just team quality | r 0.22 with shot share (90% 0.00 to 0.45), r 0.43 with goals for; 32 teams, 2016-26 | Mostly separate |
| Ratings for goalies persist across decades | r −0.12 (90% −0.42 to +0.16), 30 teams, 2005-16 vs 2016-26 | No |
| A new team’s rating carries to an arriving goalie | slope 0.58 (90% 0.28 to 0.90), 325 moves, 1980-2026 holdout | Real |
| Backing the best goalie-rating edge beats the close | −6.7% ROI (90% −11.5% to −2.1%), 1,308 bets | Priced |
| Fading the best goalie-rating edge beats the close | −1.1% ROI; −4.8% then +4.2% by season | Noise |
Frequently asked questions
What is the best NHL team for goalies?
Over the last 10 seasons (2016-17 to 2025-26), Boston. The same goalies stopped about 4 points more save % there than elsewhere, and Boston was also 2nd in 2005-16. The Islanders, Dallas, Colorado and Winnipeg follow, all at about +3.
Which NHL team is the worst for goalies?
Philadelphia, at −5.3 points of save % over the last 10 seasons, ahead of San Jose (−4.0), Detroit (−3.6) and Ottawa (−3.2). Philadelphia was the best team for goalies of 1983-93, so the reputation is recent.
Is Edmonton bad for goalies?
Yes. Since 2005, goalies stopped about 4 points less in Edmonton than on their other teams, only 6 of 17 did better as Oilers, and the team has rated below average entering every season since 2006. Devan Dubnyk, Cam Talbot and Laurent Brossoit all improved after leaving.
Do goalies do better in Winnipeg?
Since the Jets arrived, yes. Winnipeg ranks 5th over the last 10 seasons, its rating entering 2025-26 was the league’s best, and its goalies beat expected goals by more than any other team’s.
Are good NHL teams good for goalies?
Only loosely. Across 2016-17 to 2025-26, a team’s goalie rating correlates at 0.22 with its shot share. Carolina and Edmonton have been strong teams that are below average for goalies; the Islanders and Rangers have been outshot and are top 6 for goalies.
Does a team’s reputation for goalies last?
Not across decades. Team ratings from 2005-16 and 2016-26 correlate at −0.12. Philadelphia, the Islanders, Montreal and Tampa Bay all swung from one end of the table to the other.
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Sources and method
- NHL stats (NHL.com)
- NHL API reference (community documentation)
- The Odds API (historical NHL moneylines, puck lines and totals)
- Empirical Bayes shrinkage
- Responsible Gambling Council (Canada)
- ConnexOntario (1-866-531-2600)
- National Council on Problem Gambling (1-800-GAMBLER)
Research and analysis, not betting advice. Past results do not guarantee future returns; bet only what you can afford to lose.